You are wrong, the new gallente destroyer is garbage, it does what the catalyst does but much worse and will have a much harder time applying drone damage than the Tristan. Both of the Tristan and Catalyst will destroy this new one without fail.

I don't think you properly understand what's going on here. The Caldari destroyer will have the alpha of a 280mm Arty Thrasher. It will literally volley completely through a quad ASB Merlin's shields every single volley. It will literally volley any attack frigate, every single volley.

-Liang

Let's suppose you got your dream and it was a 15% per level drone damage bonus as well as a 10% per level drone tracking bonus. It would suck. Your destroyer would be novel but it would die in a fire vs. any hardened AF or other ranged destroyer. With two DDA II your DPS would not reach 300. 300 is normal for many assault frigates. 400 is possible on the Enyo. 400 - 600 DPS is where many Destroyers come in. You're going to throw 250ish DPS at them and win?

At the frigate and destroyer level combat is over in seconds. I take ships with less then 4k EHP and win on a regular basis because I can project over 400 DPS to 14km and 300 DPS to 20km. I've seen people supertank Thrashers. The struggle to hit anything past 6km. In the frigate world gank just about always wins out over tank. The only exception is when implants and boosts can come into play.

Drone boats at the small level are incredibly difficult to use. If you send in the drones too early - they can be killed at leisure and your DPS is greatly diminished. If you release them too late you could be deep in armour before they even come into play. Your suggestion pretty much limits the new Gallente Dessy to the first scenario. Send in the drones! That's the only DPS you get. I'd much rather have options. Send in the drones at 200 DPS and be right on their ass with your own 200 DPS in blasters. This dessy can have a web and that is huge. Engage at distance with rails. When the enemy commits send in the drones. Have a flight of ECM drones shut down the enemy while your hybrids inflict the pain.

The last point I'll make is the Amarr destroyer is the drones only supertanked option. It has four lows. The coercer has made that into an incredible tank for years. It also can suck a frigate dry in seconds. That again is huge and an option the Gallente destroyer can't copy unless it wants a poor man version of it.

I'm not really seeing how a 7 or 8 launcher destroyer platform is not obsoleting 95% of all frig/dessy warfare in game... just saying

would make more sense to nerf light's range to about 30km max before we have drake 2.0 problems and then some dev come's along an overnerfs lights in 4 more years after massive bitching.

But then again, what's range got to do with anything... just look at the HML neft idiocy attached to the range nerf.



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Does mammy and daddy let you use the computer much?

Rant incoming...

Seriously... the more I think about it... we don't really need another FOUR WAYS to kill frigates.

As a friend of mine said after making them train in frigates for a couple months to become good PVPers - "you know what I found out after these last few months? There's a thousand ways to die in a frigate!"

And it's true.

Seriously, frigates don't need more ANTI-frigate stuff.

My Enyo and other AFs, which is already a tough bird, can't take on a Thrasher without some serious piloting skills as it is. Just way too much raw DPS, even with resists. Catalysts, Coercers, ETC do tons of damage to these frigates already.

Now you want more ways to kill them, and it's just pretty absurd really. How are Frigates the most "OP" thing there are that you need to add MORE counters to them? It's not like other ships can't kill frigates really. Drones tear them up, a few lucky shots from a medium autocannon tends to mince them to pieces. I mean, unless you start making Frigates "difficult" to kill, I don't see a real point to this whole extra set of destroyers?

What are they really creating for EVE PVP other than forcing more frigates to not be flown, which is pretty sad as it is pretty hard to convince people that want to be good at PVP that they really should be flying frigates to learn to be good players.

No, instead. We get more anti-frigate platforms, like every ship with a drone bay (hint, most of them) isn't already good at dealing with this situation.

I don't really have a good proposition to replace the concept of these dessies, and I really don't think it would matter if I had a good idea if you're dead set on more anti-frig stuff already. But, that's my rant.